Ahmed and Leo trace Leo’s path from a tool-filled barn in Herrliberg (Zurich, Switzerland) to a life built around making things in wood—starting with early projects like the Adirondack chair and the nerves of “selling your first real piece.”

They unpack Switzerland’s apprenticeship culture, including farm life (living with your boss) and how that responsibility shaped Leo’s mindset. The conversation turns into a love letter to craft: why wood feels different than steel, why every board has a “personality,” and what makes work worth being proud of.

00:00 From barn curiosity to real projects
03:08 How it started : first build
07:21 The “be happy during the day” philosophy
08:46 Apprenticeships: freedom to pivot without panic
12:27 Farm life: long hours, different families, real growth
17:45 Canada: independence, culture shock, big-country energy 19:35 Becoming a carpenter: the exam + leveling up
24:28 Materials & meaning: wood, longevity, tools, and craft
35:49 Inspiration and Future Aspirations